Tuesday, March 04, 2008

By popular demand: Super Tuesday II: Your Thoughts.

45 comments:

Mr. Bretzmann said...

Okay. Since you don't have a Super Tuesday II post...I'll just comment here I guess...

VT 1%
[x]Obama 53%
Clinton 45%

OH 0%
[x]McCain 0%

Yes. They are calling Ohio for John McCain with 0% in. I understand projections...but this kind of baffles me a little. Taking it to the extreme just seems to push it for me. I like knowing in advance...but I feel like CNN will be calling our next president sometime next week or something.

Just my two ¢.
--johnnyb

Mr. Bretzmann said...

John, it's Super Twosday. Duh.
--jamieg

Johnny B said...

Why thank you for transferring our comments. :]

But I like how you put Super Tuesday II in the title of this article.

John - 1
Jamie - 0

;D

Mr. Bretzmann said...

CONGRATULATIONS TO SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN !!!

BrookeS said...

the bottom of my TV screen wasn't able to fully show the numbers, but from what I could tell:

--OHIO--
Clinton- 56%
Obama- 44%

^or something close. but of course, only 12% counted...

TO BE CONTINUED!!!!!!!

Johnny B said...

"Mike Huckabee drops out of GOP race.
Watch Now: Live on CNN.com »"

They forgot the word "finally".

Johnny B said...

Another note...

Notice how all four states are called for McCain. My point being a republican.

Yet only two are really called for the democrats leaving talk still open more for them.

Overall the democrats pretty much have everything needed to get more attention. It's just interesting how much of a difference each political party has.

Johnny B said...

That McCain is a Republican.*

Not me.

Avoiding any sort of confusion. ;]

Mr. Bretzmann said...

I am a republican. I am also a democrat. Explain...

Johnny B said...

I'm guessing it has to do with...


Blogger Mr. Bretzmann said...

Republican Party
Democratic Party

republican form of government
democratic form of government

Sunday, March 02, 2008 4:01:00 PM


?

BrookeS said...

THIS IS INSANE!!!! ABC News just came out with their predictions and Clinton takes Ohio, (they couldn't make the prediction until they had Cincinnati and Cleveland votes tallied.) Clinton also takes Rhode Island but Obama has Vermont in the bag. Texas is too close to call right now, but they predict it's going to be well into the night before they can even make a call.

Politics=fascinating
This election=thrilling

I'm definately putting on a pot of coffee and staying up to watch this.

BrookeS said...

Can we officially call this MEGA-Super Tuesday?

^an after thought post-blog

jamieg said...

Oh Brooke. You should not legally be allowed to have coffee :)

I don't know if anyone posted this or not yet, but I found a pretty good candidate picker quiz

Added bonus: If you mouse over Hillary Clinton's face and then the faces around her and then go back to her, it gives Chris Dodd's face with her name under it.

Johnny B said...

Texas, why must you keep me awake?

Ugh.

BrookeS said...

IT'S OFFICIAL:

CLINTON TAKES Ohio, Rhode Island, AND Texas!!!!!

McCain is now the official GOP nominee!!!!!!

I'm one happy camper. Long live the lone star state, (< Ms. Penglase would be proud of my use of alliteration)

okay, on to Macbeth....

justinbel said...

Hillary winning Texas sounds nice to Hillary supporters, however Texas awards delegates based on counties not popular vote, so Obama still might win more delegates from the Texas primary. Also the Texas caucus could provide Obama with more delegates, so it may look like Hillary won Texas, but the delegate count could show a different story.

justinbel said...

Now that McCain has wrapped up the GOP nomination, many conservatives like Rush Limbaugh are calling for Republicans to vote for Hillary in future primaries to keep her in the race and to keep the party fighting.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_030308/content/01125107.guest.html

Right now it is mathmatically impossible for Hillary to win the nomination before the convention or even take over the lead, however many Republicans feel that Hillary has a better chance of losing in November than Obama does. So my question is:

What are your thoughts on this strategy, and do you think it will affect the Democrat nomination?

tomj said...

does anybody know how the caucauses went? I haven't watched the news yet

Mr. Bretzmann said...

The latest I saw from the TX caucuses is that 39% are reporting so far and Obama is ahead 56 to something.
-CNN

Mr. Bretzmann said...

By the way. Remember John Edwards and Bill Richardson?

Think about this: HR Clinton won Tuesday with less formally educated, lower socioeconomic status voters and Latinos.

Question: Who were the Edwards and Richardson supporters? The working class and Hispanics.

Conclusion: Edwards and Richardson could have influenced the election and swayed voters toward Obama. By doing that they could have ended the Democratic fight. If they decide to get back into the debate NOW, why should anybody listen to them? Their time is past.

Just a thought I had. Of course, they could have come in on the side of Clinton and helped her gain bigger leads which would have put her in a better mathematical position.

McCain/Clinton '08!

Mr. Bretzmann said...

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=6811314&ch=4226716&src=news

The president tap dances while waiting for John McCain.

Mr. Bretzmann said...

On Justin's question: I think it's a sleazy thing for either party to engage in tampering with the other side's process (I'm pretty sure Nixon quit because of something related to this idea...). Democrats talked about this too when the dailykos was suggesting to vote for Huckabee to keep him in the race. Sleazy. The rules are there as progressive reforms (Fightin' Bob!) so that people who don't identify with a party can vote for the candidate of their choice. The rules aren't there so that one party can vote against someone they see as a stronger candidate. Having said that, the franchise remains the domain of each individual and legally he or she can do whatever he or she wants with it. Morally, I would suggest each person vote for the person that is liked best.

Finally, let me say that the strategy will be ineffective in the next big state because it is a closed primary. Sorry Dittoheads.

p.s. what does TMTH mean?

Elliot Anderson said...

I JUST WANT THIS THING TO BE OVER.

JamieW said...

TMTH = Too Much To Handle

were you watching American Idol? haha. a former contestant thought he was TMTH.

cmorgan said...

So another week of blogging. Hmm..........................................................................? Well im spent! Aha joking obviously. In my opinion I believe it was only a small hit to Senator Obama that Clinton won both Texas and Ohio. First off Obama wasnt even supposed to come close in those states and coming down to the wire in Texas was impressive. Hopefully this does not mean a sway in momentum towards the Clinton campaign but who knows. Who knows? West Side Story. Get it? No ok. Well there's my input.

joannaz said...

Well Texas and Ohio only had a large effect in that they seem like huge wins for Clinton... even though in the end she only ended up gaining a few delegates. Today in Wyoming Obama won 12 delegates in the caucaus, making up the delegates Clinton gained Tuesday and then some. I'm just a little disappointed that Pennsylvania isn't till April. Who would have thought that at this time PA would still be relevant? I bet Michigan and Florida feel like morons now.
Oh well.
This blog post seems short so, question: "Did Clinton's wins in the Texas and Ohio primaries make a real difference? Did her wins really give her much momentum or does she seem to be where she was two weeks ago?"

JamieW said...

Everyone remember to change your clocks if you haven't already.

To answer Joanna's question,

I don't think Clinton is going to be able to grasp the momentum she wants from the wins in Texas and Ohio. Although these two states are large, the gain she received from them was next to nothing. It has probably helped her mentality, but that's about it.

Vlad said...

I think Clinton's victories on Tuesday were important because she put a halt to Obama's momentum by ending his winning streak and she has influenced the minds of superdelegates who were starting to consider supporting Obama. So, if neither Obama or Clinton get the magic delegate number when the time comes, people can have a justifed support for choosing Clinton as the nominee. She won very important large states while Obama won a large collection of smaller states. Also, the business of redos for the Michigan and Florida primaries is ridiculous. Those states broke the rules, finito. So numerically, Clinton is back where she was. But in reality, she is starting to take Obama's thunder. And SNL has once again attacked Obama and made Clinton the "right" candidate. Try and find a clip on youtube to see the attack. Could Lorne Michaels be the one who is singlehandedly starting to help Clinton gain back her support? The telephone ad could have been the cause for Clinton's victory on Tuesday because she used fear to get her votes. I belive I watched "Real Time W/ Bill Maher" when I heard the joke, "She stole one of Giuliani's old scripts".


Long live David Simon.

Jbyko10 said...

After Tuesday I believe that Senator Clinton has taken most of the momentum away from Senator Obama. Sad to say, but it is true. I feel like she won the states that she needed to win to stay in the race and possibly win. I feel that she will be winning Penn. She'll gain even more momentum. People are just starting to realize that she is right, and "all Obama can do is speak."

I honestly think that they should join forces. I believe this is the only way that they will even have a chance against Senator McCain. McCain now has the chance to plan is campaign for the presidency. While Clinton and Obama duke it out, he will be watching and skeeming up plans for the republican party.

Alex D said...

blog tonight...

Obama wins Wyoming, and three people voted...

looking at polls for all of the next set of democratic it appears as though Obama has the nomination pretty locked up...

on the bright side for McCain the Democrats will still have to battle until at least April

and besides maybe Hillary will get a redo in florida and Michigan... but whens a good time to do it...

I'm not sure, how about June :)

MorganJ said...
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MorganJ said...

Wow... all of these primaries and caucuses are taking a toll on me. I can't imagine how Clinton and Obama are hanging in there. After last nights results came in from Wyoming, Obama gained 7 delegates and Clinton 4. This race is just soooooo sluggish.

I was listening to the T.V last night, I didn't see who was speaking but he made a good point: if Clinton becomes the nominee due to superdelegates, how is the public going to respond?

Answer: No one really knows, but one can assume they wouldn't be very pleased.

I have a counter arugment that I feel has a lot of substance. Please comment if you feel otherwise.
It relates to the chapter we just were tested on. Our country was set up in such a way that majoritarian views would not harm our government and society. We have groups of elites that know more about certain things and therefore are better equipped to make a decision. If most of the superdelegates vote for Clinton, I feel that the public should take their opinion into account.

Someone just told me that while everyone is entitled to an opinion, some are more important than others. In this race, when the democratic nominees are so close in numbers, I feel it is important to look at the opinions of our elite.

MorganJ said...

I just posted this same comment on last week's blog, but I think more people will see it here.

Did anyone see McCain's latest endorsement? I don't know when it exactly happened, but I just heard it last night. It was by John Haggy... I'm not sure if that's how you spell it.

I am amazed at how radical some people can be... props to McCain for how he handled it!


Here's a news clip of it

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4dz0HwvSc88

RyanO said...

I believe Clinton did for the most part what she had to on Tuesday. Even though she didn't win by as much as she needed to to be back on an even playing field with Obama, ending his momentum was a definite win for her. Additionally she has shown that she has more support from the working class, which could be a definite advantage for her going further.

Tom B. said...

So I'm feeling a battle for the democrats still. i really think Obama is gonna take it and this is just prolonging the inevitable. On the plus side Johnny Mac is just chillin while the democrats duke it out

Christina S said...

To answer Joanna's question, I don't think that Texas and Ohio gave Clinton the momentum that she needed to be on the same level as Obama. That's all.

ericag said...

um. well the sunday night blog.

As much as I cant stand it at the moment, Hilary seems to have a bit of an edge.

I also think that McCain is going to need the head start to even get close to winning the presidancy.

I just don't think with every thing that has gone over the past 8 years they can convice enough people to reelect a Rep. to office

katiekso said...

McCain becoming the GOP candidate wasn't much of a suprise. Neither was President Bush's endorsement or Huckabee droping out of the race. Personally, I was a little suprised at the results for the democrats but then again, Hilary Clinton did spend a lot of time campaigning in Texas. Her wins were crutial in the sense that they ended Obama's winning streak.

Jake_H said...

Tuesday was a sad day in America. The fact that Clinton won in Texas and Ohio is depressing but not the end of the world—no that came in the early morning after Favre's retirement announcement. Yes Clinton won in the two big states on Tuesday but she didn’t win that many delegates. Obama still has the lead and will continue to win. I still think that it will come down to super delegates in the end.

JamieW said...

I agree with Jake.
A sad day = losing Favre
A sad day also = Clinton still in the race

Angelina said...

So Clinton is still in the race. Crazy, crazy, crazy.

Erica C said...

Super Tuesday II was a great thing for the Clinton campaign. Even though she is still behind by a descent margin (CNN would say she is behind by 99 delegates), she's brought a lot of attention and maybe even supporters back to her campaign due to her small but present momentum.

I sincerely hope that the Democratic nomination does not come down to super-delegates. I could not see many Democrats being satisfied with a small group of elites choosing a nominee.

mente said...

I agree with what others have said about Hilary stealing some of the momentum from the Obama campaign, but I don't think that it's a catastrophe. I think the Obama campaign will succeed, but it sucks that McCain is going to have the an extra 6-7 months to prepare his campaign for the general election.

I caught a little bit a Chris Matthews this morning and they were talking about the Clinton/Obama '08 or Obama/Clinton '08 ticket. And his panel of experts decided overwhelmingly that there is a big incentive for Hilary's campaign if she were to name Obama as her running mate. Which I think is completely true. If Hilary ends up overcoming Obama in the primaries the only way that she could beat McCain in the general election would be to name Obama as her running mate: he is the reason why there are so many students voting and actually getting interested in the process and without him Hilary loses that vote. Hilary would need Obama with her to ensure a Democrat in the White House. And a Republican in the White House would be the worst possible thing for America especially after the last 8 years of the ever wise President Bush.

arletap said...

The whole vote-for-Clinton-for-easy-GOP-win irritates me. One, because it's true; Clinton against McCain would certainly give the old guy a great chance at the presidency. Two, because it's completely devoid of logic. The fact that something like that is being said, especially with such a great chance of being true, should raise flags for Democrats -- if Republicans are voting for the weaker Democratic candidate, doesn't mean Clinton supporters are voting for the weaker Democratic candidate too? [/Obama propaganda]

CassieH said...

Favre Favre Favre!

Are we done talking about him yet?

You sick sick cheeseheads.