tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post8188617906560573827..comments2023-04-03T19:49:42.055-05:00Comments on Civics Blog: Analysis: What do you think the final outcome will be this year regarding the health care debate?Mr. Bretzmannhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04907368716316376079noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-19814395167271427842009-10-11T17:33:55.405-05:002009-10-11T17:33:55.405-05:00I believe this is going to be a substanitally long...I believe this is going to be a substanitally long process and there is no way it will get passed by the end of this year, and maybe not even next year. The debate is going nowhere in my view because the Republicans and Democrats can not agree on anything and they most likely won't end up agreeing on anything relevant to this bill, and i don't think many people will even benefit from this anyway. This is just a huge mess as it is and i don't think it will get much better down the road.j.polinskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18381446260207040761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-14449807604510634062009-10-04T20:31:48.363-05:002009-10-04T20:31:48.363-05:00i think rlepak has a good idea about washington sh...i think rlepak has a good idea about washington shifting its ideas away from health care to address other major topics.Only shortly, but it may allow for needed comprimises.Brandon Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18226866076996920050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-2371189954595277852009-09-26T20:25:59.530-05:002009-09-26T20:25:59.530-05:00Although reading others comments made me think of ...Although reading others comments made me think of things I hadn't the first time I posted, I am still going to go with my first answer and say nothing will get done in the health care reform by the end of the year. Previous presidents have tried, and failed miserably. The insurance companies are a huge industry and have a lot of power and money behind them, a force the government is reckoning with. Second, on a different note, I think Washington needs to shift its ideas away from health care for a little while because it is getting in the way of other large topics such as Afghanistan and renewable energy.rlepakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10914725454333321087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-48998066368147256022009-09-22T19:57:33.795-05:002009-09-22T19:57:33.795-05:00Obviously something needs to be done about the hea...Obviously something needs to be done about the health care system in our country and although the problem is being focused on I highly doubt that Republicans and Democrats will be able to come to an agreement within the next three and a half months to be able to get this passed by the start of 2010.morgankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07672204120257811789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-78787753803538298282009-09-21T10:12:22.851-05:002009-09-21T10:12:22.851-05:00I don't believe anything will get done with th...I don't believe anything will get done with the whole healthcare debate because look at it already this has been going on for a while and nothing really has happened even now. So, I agree with stoiber with him saying that it is going to be hard to finalize something, but they should kick it into gear a little quicker than they have been lately.dlanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10239430890467558367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-29460428289907999512009-09-21T06:57:11.769-05:002009-09-21T06:57:11.769-05:00I don't see this plan coming to fruition any t...I don't see this plan coming to fruition any time soon, though it is seemingly becoming stronger and stronger. I see where the Democrats are coming from, as the plan plays directly to their ideals of playing Robinhood--taking from the rich to give to the poor. However, I oppose the plan, as it seems too vague and insecure for me to buy into it. I only expect the debate to become more and more aggressive as the process becomes further drawn out, and in the end I think there will be some form of healthcare reform; I just don't expect it to be as drastic as many reports are announcing that it will be.jmarczewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00971826268475321085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-4810444101099195122009-09-21T00:11:27.564-05:002009-09-21T00:11:27.564-05:00Mr. Bretzmann, after researching the topic, I was ...Mr. Bretzmann, after researching the topic, I was incorrect in that statement in the sense that there is no panel of doctors determine the life/death outcome of a patient; however, I would check out Dick Morris's remarks in this piece. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ-cVPgODoc&feature=relatedJakeKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06895294052788443870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-50163009844498164452009-09-20T23:40:49.632-05:002009-09-20T23:40:49.632-05:00The Towel, I understand the town meetings and the ...The Towel, I understand the town meetings and the purpose to get reelected, HOWEVER, when the majority was Republican, did they take in account of the Democrats of the minority as much as the Democrats do for them? Absolutely not. The Republicans got what they wanted when they were the majority in Congress, they didn't purposely include any sort of liberal notions. Even though the Americans are unsatisfied with this plan, and the Republicans are feeding off the negatives to cause controversy and get reelected, they should not have this big of influence, the bill should not work around precisely what they, the conservatives want. Just to give you some awareness, I ACTUALLY HAVE READ my textbook.Terezahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05323876777161809388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-13196387303765099222009-09-20T23:12:49.815-05:002009-09-20T23:12:49.815-05:00Mr. or Ms. Towel,
Please don't attack a person...Mr. or Ms. Towel,<br />Please don't attack a person's intelligence or insinuate that they are dumb. Argue your opinion: yes<br />Call people names: noMr. Bretzmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04907368716316376079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-6120617917800185872009-09-20T23:12:07.889-05:002009-09-20T23:12:07.889-05:00Let's just get one thing straight: OF COURSE s...Let's just get one thing straight: OF COURSE some sort of health care reform will pass...Obama's second term depends on it. And with all of the liberals in Congress? Duh. I doubt Obama is going to let the centerpiece of his campaign fall through just because some ignorant Republicans think that there will be "death panels" *cough* Sarah Palin *cough*. Because just about every other conservative agrees that there must be some sort of health care reform (just not the public option). Then again, Sarah Palin probably doesn't even know what the word "reform" means in the first place. There's always a dictionary if she can't understand the internet. Or I could just tell her that it's another name for a desk; she'd blindly believe me just like she blindly believes Fox News or whoever told her that there'd be "death Panels". But she isn't the only one at fault for believing ludacris things they hear about health care refom, it's a myriad of Americans. <br /><br />Yes, the bill will be very expensive no matter what. But what do you expect? I mean after all, it IS health care reform. This isn't going to be cheap by any means, obviously.<br /><br />Kyle and Tereza, people who can't afford health insurance WILL NOT get a huge tax hike. They'd then be able to afford it with big government subsidies. You're simply misinterpreting. What the bill really means, and as the article stated, is that the government is mandating that everyone must have health insurance and if you STILL refuse now that you can afford, then you will be taxed.<br /><br />Tereza, you said;<br />"I have to agree with what JakeK has said. I can't understand why there is an issue with the GOP- they shouldn't have any control with Congress when they have such a little minority." I'm not sure that you've read any of your textbook...at all. If politics really worked like that, we'd always be ruled by the tyranny of whoever the current majority is. It's also common sense that if you're the majority, you'd want to include the minority in hopes that when party power shifts, they'll include you too. You're also totally leaving out the fact that people in Congress have a desire to be elected. Have you seen the townhall meetings for healthcare on the news/youtube? What if people that reside in libreral represented areas don't want health care reform? Maybe the residents are so vehemently against it that the said representative fears for their re-election time? Then it wouldn't hurt to have some Republican votes for the bill, now would it?<br /><br />What should really be included in the upcoming health care reform is allowing the sale of health insurance across state lines (creates better competition) and tort reform (deals with lawsuits for malpractice against doctors). This also happens to be what top GOP leaders want and would get the bill bipartisan as wanted. That's literally all the liberals need to do to get this bill to be somewhat bipartisan. Though other Republicans are so opposed to a public option that they view it as completely unacceptable.<br /><br />Something amusing: Remember how Obama, during his campaign, promised that he won't raise taxes for families that are fiscally under the top 95% of all earners in America? Yet he's finding all these new ways to tax us without actually calling it a "tax". Like, this public option is merely another "insurance premium". Or with cap and trade (secret enormous carbon tax, go look up "cap and trade" if you don't know what it is), it's merely a "trade" with money for credits or "guide". Or the 8% payroll tax on small buisinesses in this healthcare bill, which is pretty horrible in a bad economy.The Towelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03457646421581855956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-75144166901150425582009-09-20T23:05:07.179-05:002009-09-20T23:05:07.179-05:00It seems in this situation that both sides are aim...It seems in this situation that both sides are aiming to accomplish too much, too quickly on a very substantial American issue. I have to agree that this bill as it was originally intended--a revolutionary impact on the health care industry--will not be passed by the end of this year. As previously discussed, the U.S. government resists dramatic, instantaneous change to prevent change for the worse. Passing a bill that suddenly provides millions with health insurance, pleases the general public, and pleases bipartisan interests (as well as hastily molding the issue to other great American debated issues such as illegal immigration and abortion) in a matter of months is quite the feat. By aiming to accomplish this vast array of goals <br />in such a manner, it seems the bill is deviating from its original intention which was to solve the involvement of finances in individual health. Considering the issue at hand--human wellness--perhaps it is best that the bill is not rushed.AAgostinihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16884228044553805200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-6903547540057195132009-09-20T23:01:41.840-05:002009-09-20T23:01:41.840-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Towelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03457646421581855956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-15318542352631209962009-09-20T22:40:05.759-05:002009-09-20T22:40:05.759-05:00For informative purposes:
1. Republican and Democr...For informative purposes:<br />1. Republican and Democrat are proper nouns and should be capitalized.<br />2. There are no government panels to make any life and death decisions (see jakek) in any bill I've seen reported on. Like Hogwart's, this is fiction.<br />3. Most of the plans have subsidies for people who cannot afford to buy healthcare insurance (whether it helps or makes it worse is up to you). Look up what a subsidy is.<br /><br />Remember: TEST MONDAYMr. Bretzmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04907368716316376079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-65330469762592492842009-09-20T22:20:41.744-05:002009-09-20T22:20:41.744-05:00With the way the bill stands today, I do not belie...With the way the bill stands today, I do not believe that it will be passed by the end of the year. Possibly a less comprehensive version will pass, but will most likely not have that great of an impact. Maybe they will pass a version that regulates insurance companies on pre-existing conditions and medical malpractice. Insurance companies should not be allowed to reject people according to pre-existing conditions and limits should be placed on ridiculous lawsuits that patients place on doctors. Putting a plan like this in place will give the government another year to work on a bipartisan health care plan, and allow Obama to keep his promise on delivering a health care plan by this year.nsomershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08740988406891043001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-27649049305736717452009-09-20T22:16:56.063-05:002009-09-20T22:16:56.063-05:00I think that the
Democrats are all pushing this b...I think that the <br />Democrats are all pushing this bill a lot more than they outwardly put on. Because of the failure to get a similar plan passed in the early nineties, liberals will want to save more enbarassment and make this bill a law. Democrats opposing this bill may just be attempting to gain more conservative support so the law actually passes. I (surprisingly) agree with MKlinka in believing that this bill will get passed before the year ends. The White House administration will make sure of that. I fear, as many others do, that this bill will no longer be the bill it started out as--which could be catastrophic for the end result. Right now, Congress is trying to please too many people. There is a gargantuan debate taking place where each side is giving and taking to benifit themselves. Some might call it anarchy; others, democracy.Alex Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07162935951361776200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-46578640379721238172009-09-20T21:42:31.385-05:002009-09-20T21:42:31.385-05:00First of all, I think it's going to be hard to...First of all, I think it's going to be hard to gain bipartisan backing. I don't believe the two parties will be able to resolve the issue this year. All in all I think the health care reform process will be more expensive than many people think, especially for the middle class citizens. And punishing the people who can't afford health care to begin with is not helping anyone.nickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11933129931955400937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-13885678116777288072009-09-20T21:33:26.499-05:002009-09-20T21:33:26.499-05:00This bill is too insanely huge to get done by this...This bill is too insanely huge to get done by this year. I agree with Diana that it will be a big challenge to get democrats and republicans to come to a final agreement that is fair. Also, the large amount of people who fall in the "very low income but not low enough for MedicAid" will suffer greatly because of the penalty they will face on their taxes. Overall, I think the bill is way too expensive and considering how big of an issue it is, there is no way it will pass in three and a half months.klatourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02413780518843826065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-35640095507092531952009-09-20T21:24:29.578-05:002009-09-20T21:24:29.578-05:00I believe that some form of this bill will be pass...I believe that some form of this bill will be passed by the end of the year. Whether you agree with the policies outlined or not, Obama is quite persistent with his will to have some form of the bill passed. Although there will never be a bipartisan agreement about this issue, democrats will make a point to get some form passed. We can see evidence of this as democrats are willing to make modulations to the plan for republicans' sake, as stated in this article. I think that for Obama and democrats, no matter what form of the bill is passed, it will be a "victory" for them, as they will have reached Obama's goal to have it passed by the end of the year, no matter how far diverged from the original plan it may be.jreicharthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01745576649196599473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-91106054785045466932009-09-20T21:22:15.029-05:002009-09-20T21:22:15.029-05:00I have to agree with what JakeK has said. I can...I have to agree with what JakeK has said. I can't understand why there is an issue with the GOP- they shouldn't have any control with Congress when they have such a little minority. Although this bill is costly, and it is unpredictable whether or not it will be effective, it will probably pass. But as it passes it will be a completely different, unrecognizable, butchered bill. I can also agree with Kyle Laz, if you can't afford healthcare now, how will you be able to afford tax penalties. I'm sure those without healthcare will be ecstatic to learn that they are not only being forced by their government to get the necessity but fined if they don't! Another weakness in the bill is the appeasement of the GOP's desire to not have some sort of government run healthcare. Also, I would like to throw in that Astoiber's fascist remark is 100% absurd. Let's just attach the word fascism to everything, that'll get a ridiculous, ineffective opinion across. I have to agree with MKlinka."Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[7] Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the government and the fascist movement" Pretty sure, that's not what's going on here, not only has this bill nothing to do with fascism it is the direct opposite of what fascism is described to be. The direction Congress is taking for this bill is bipartisan!Terezahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05323876777161809388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-66304397227772244672009-09-20T21:08:06.608-05:002009-09-20T21:08:06.608-05:00I dont see this being passed by the end of the yea...I dont see this being passed by the end of the year. Its too expesive and it will take time to pass unless they come to agreement without taking out key aspects of the proposalBrandon Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18226866076996920050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-1701518917620447162009-09-20T20:34:25.258-05:002009-09-20T20:34:25.258-05:00The fact of the matter is that the Republicans sho...The fact of the matter is that the Republicans should not even be a road bump in Obana's plan. With the majority the Democrats have in congress, the only people they can blame for the stagnation of their health care bill is themselves. Obama is using the bully pulpit to pin blame on the GOP for the blunders of health care reform, but last time I checked, there was what? maybe 6 or 7 Republicans left in congress? The Democrats don't even like this bill, and what's more is the American people have spoken, and they don't like it either (can you say town hall meetings?). What it boils down to is 1. We can't pay for it. Even Magic Man Barack can't foot this bill. 2. No one can agree on it. Sure it will pass, but it will be watered down and no one will be happy. 3. This is not good news for our generation. We will be the ones left to finance this blunder and face an era of outrageous health care. The American people made their bed and now they have to lay in it- let's just hope they don't wake up in a vegetative state because a panel of doctors will decide whether or not to pull the plug, not your family.JakeKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06895294052788443870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-75339310175780108042009-09-20T20:15:14.025-05:002009-09-20T20:15:14.025-05:00On this issue, I will have to agree with mklinka. ...On this issue, I will have to agree with mklinka. The bill will most likely pass, but after much squabbling and after it loses many aspects that the republicans have rejected on the bill. However,it seems that Baucus is playing straight into the hands of the 6 and his republican aggressors. With majority of the house on his side, it seems that he should be pushing what his democratic party wants instead of dividing it over issues such as public option. The democrats have fundamental intrests that they are willing to preserve. To quote mklinka "wouldn't willingly castrate their bill so they could not pass it". As we have discussed, congress takes time to approve legislature and even more time when it is opposed as severly as it is in this situation. In due time this bill will pass because health care is a necessary insurance that all should have regardless of economic class. Health care has been monopolized for too long, and it is about time that the government created an option that will cause health care companies to lower their prices and help those who can't afford it.aprichardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09039134276691780028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-40370243864967857112009-09-20T19:23:34.743-05:002009-09-20T19:23:34.743-05:00I believe that this isn't going to work. Obama...I believe that this isn't going to work. Obama says that he will pass the bill by the end of the year, but in my opinion the two parties won't agree on the bill by then. Yes, they both agree that Health Care needs reform, but it's what all needs to be reformed that is the problem. People know about this problem and are educating themselves to what they need to do. It may be passed one day, but for the now the bill needs to be remade and they need to sit down and start from scratch. The people fgor now will vote against it because it will cost to many of the average americans to much money that they don't have.K-Iglinskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08030018866842199471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-15874830819335370042009-09-20T19:06:40.751-05:002009-09-20T19:06:40.751-05:00I dont see this proposal getting passed before the...I dont see this proposal getting passed before the end of the year. It's way too expensive and actually raises prices for middle & upper class people. I also don't see how people who can't afford health insurance in the 1st place will bennifit from being pentalized on their tax returns.K-Lazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12591865337363863301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-18627943811502030062009-09-20T16:31:10.641-05:002009-09-20T16:31:10.641-05:00I think, in theory, the idea is good. But, I don&#...I think, in theory, the idea is good. But, I don't think Obama will be able to accomplish this by the end of the year. In my oppinion, I don't think the democrats and republicans will be able to come together and make a decision about the whole matter.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00770242557739401110noreply@blogger.com