tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post2875351150071854477..comments2023-04-03T19:49:42.055-05:00Comments on Civics Blog: Opinion: What reasoning are you using to determine who has what number of delegates on the Democratic side?Mr. Bretzmannhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04907368716316376079noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-38006881681875088542008-02-16T14:32:00.000-06:002008-02-16T14:32:00.000-06:00I don't think superdelegates will play that much o...I don't think superdelegates will play that much of an issue. If it comes down to a heavy pledged support for one candidated (as it's starting for Obama) the superdelegates will, I think, represent the people. Also, no one wants a recreation of the riots that happened in Chicago in the '60s.Vladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04258404456872923473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-35089374743709777222008-02-16T00:10:00.000-06:002008-02-16T00:10:00.000-06:00First of all, I agree with Jamie that Obama was aw...First of all, I agree with Jamie that Obama was awesome today.<BR/><BR/>Second, I think that in writing this essay we all got a little bit POed about super delegates (scanning the replies I don't think I saw any posts saying "Super delegates are awesome! They should have the final say in all of the elections!)The fact that Clinton and Obama are very close means that super delegates may potentially decide the outcome of the Democratic nomination. It kind of feels like they're taking democracy away from us. <BR/><BR/>Anywho, <A HREF="http://pol.moveon.org/superdelegates/?rc=homepage" REL="nofollow">here's</A> a petition from moveon.org about superdelegates. The petition states: <BR/><BR/>"The Democratic Party must be democratic. The superdelegates should let the voters decide between Clinton and Obama, then support the people's choice." <BR/><BR/>So go, "sign," and enjoy.amandakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05766391841420136774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-56028925356331442512008-02-15T14:57:00.000-06:002008-02-15T14:57:00.000-06:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tP6OCGCkhUSi se pu...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tP6OCGCkhU<BR/><BR/>Si se puede.<BR/><BR/>Odd.<BR/><BR/>P.S Obama was great today :-)JamieWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09299432264767081299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-26538428470682657772008-02-12T22:35:00.000-06:002008-02-12T22:35:00.000-06:00Haha Angelina, I emailed him about it earlier toda...Haha Angelina, I emailed him about it earlier today. :P<BR/><BR/>And both Obama and McCain swept the primaries today. Momentum is strong. I believe that those two people, Obama and McCain, will be the nominees.Johnny Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03879143392094087363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-70904842925213481562008-02-12T21:28:00.000-06:002008-02-12T21:28:00.000-06:00I just want to say Mr. Bretzmann... that unfortuna...I just want to say Mr. Bretzmann... that unfortunately you'll be seeing me in class tomorrow :(<BR/><BR/>Josh (McCain supporter) and Adam got tickets but I didn't get one. I'm actually really upset about it. So just forewarning you.KellyHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07585376842109719541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-29735203163371384572008-02-12T20:59:00.000-06:002008-02-12T20:59:00.000-06:00I don't actually think Joanna's first post is too ...I don't actually think Joanna's first post is too off topic. I think, with the whole Superdelegates system, it's pretty important to look at the polls, and who the public think would more likely become president over McCain.<BR/>Isn't it the job of the superdelegates to go with who is more likely to get elected?<BR/>But really, I think that system's kind of screwy.jamieghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06737533454875541566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-7620335470975298342008-02-12T20:07:00.000-06:002008-02-12T20:07:00.000-06:00DID ANYBODY GET A TICKET FOR THE RACINE OBAMA EVEN...DID ANYBODY GET A TICKET FOR THE RACINE OBAMA EVENT? PLEASE E-MAIL ME AT jbretzmann at mnsd.k12.wi.us if you did. Thanks.Mr. Bretzmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04907368716316376079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-42699496290166596612008-02-12T20:06:00.000-06:002008-02-12T20:06:00.000-06:00Oh yea, Mr. Bretzmann, about Modern English. A roc...Oh yea, Mr. Bretzmann, about Modern English. A rock band best remembered for their song "I Melt With You" which was an MTV staple in 1982, and has appeared in various commercials and movies over the years. In 1982, or any years before, The Cure never came out with song titled like that. SO MODERN ENGLISH OWNS!!Angelinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14012062444240786567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-16388548037323201362008-02-12T19:56:00.000-06:002008-02-12T19:56:00.000-06:00Just a little comment about Mike Huckabee, it does...Just a little comment about Mike Huckabee, it doesn't matter if he wins the nomination, because he is only 51. He can just build his name up for the future.Angelinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14012062444240786567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-33209684476741218722008-02-10T23:06:00.000-06:002008-02-10T23:06:00.000-06:00I really don't think that Hillary should be consid...I really don't think that Hillary should be considered ahead right now, rather I believe it's a tie or with Obama slightly ahead. The super delegate count is not a strong enough support to hold onto a lead with when they are still up for grabs. I am basing my count soley on the number of delegates. <BR/>For the extra credit question, I think that Huckabee should drop out of the race. It might be better if he just let the Republican Party try to start accepting McCain as their nominee and move on with it. I think he's just giving people a false hope right now that will create more tension later on.aly machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03909440265248312721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-74927572521677772562008-02-10T23:03:00.000-06:002008-02-10T23:03:00.000-06:00I think that it would be a smart move for Hackabee...I think that it would be a smart move for Hackabee to drop out of the race. It would unite the GOP and give him a shot at VP. I dont think that he will be able to win the nomination and if he stays in anf it will create some tension between him and McCain. IF Huckabee droped out now it would gaurantee McCain's nomination and maybe a spot on the ballot for him. I think that a McCain, Hukabee ticket would put up a good fight against the dems.Jake_Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11941695205859857330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-999242805138988902008-02-10T22:21:00.001-06:002008-02-10T22:21:00.001-06:00Personally I believe superdelegates are a bunch of...Personally I believe superdelegates are a bunch of who-ha. The race as it stands according to NBC should be what is thought of as the number of delegates for the Democratic side. When other polls state that Hilary is in the lead with the inclusion of Superdelegates, this leads to confusion. When a variable can change at anytime and is not finalized until the end, I do not believe it should be factored in during current race statistics. That is just my personal opinion though. I think that's enough for a blog, bedtime.cmorganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14010722693968893849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-70055023742600293722008-02-10T22:21:00.000-06:002008-02-10T22:21:00.000-06:00I wasn't really looking at anything, but by readin...I wasn't really looking at anything, but by reading the blog people were saying that they check out cnn so thats what I'm going to look at.newkirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08937775178751324264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-8566624122052262962008-02-10T22:02:00.000-06:002008-02-10T22:02:00.000-06:00As for the lates number of delegates I watch CNN. ...As for the lates number of delegates I watch CNN. I do like that the democrats use a method in which all of the voters are herd and the delegates are seperated. I beleive it will come down to the supper delegates to decide who has won, and what about edward's delegates?<BR/>As for Huckabee, he should stay in the race. If anything he should McCain that there is a power other than him the people want. Huckabee should present strong for a VP.Adam Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03073836814520374749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-8130882128214110912008-02-10T21:10:00.000-06:002008-02-10T21:10:00.000-06:00I don't believe in super delegates. I believe that...I don't believe in super delegates. I believe that if anybody who is a super delegate wants to be counted they should vote just like everybody else to becoming part of pledged delegates. <BR/><BR/>I understand the concern of the majority voting for somebody who is unqualified, but this isn't the case. I believe they unbalance the situation and aren't necessary to choose the nominee.<BR/><BR/>Bonus: I believe that Huckabee should stay in the race. Look at the southern states that he has won. It shows that McCain isn't completely unifying the GOP. Also, I don't believe attempting to unify the GOP is a good thing necessarily. What I mean is it sounds like a good idea, but in reality it depends on the candidate you are talking about. Is McCain the right guy for the job? I don't think so.Johnny Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03879143392094087363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-85352486490574767132008-02-10T20:51:00.000-06:002008-02-10T20:51:00.000-06:00Wow I had no idea there were so many levels of del...Wow I had no idea there were so many levels of delegates... I'm not going to lie, I'm still kind of confused by it. But I think counting the pledged delegate is what counts for now. We could make educated guesses about how the superdelegates are going to vote based on how the state voted and on the individual stances of the superdelegate. As the delegate number changes and more time, debates, and campaigning goes on, the superdelegates may also change thier vote so how can we really attibute a superdelegate to one candidate? I would go with the constant delegate number for now. And in response to the question about Mike Huckabee, is it really his role to unite the GOP? It is an election after all-- every man for himself. And how do the republicans that "absolutely HATE" McCain vote? Unless Romney's coming back, I think the Republicans need another option. And who knows anyway? Did anyone expect Huckabee to do as well as he did in the primary? And that was with three GOP nominess. I think it would be a very poor decision on Huckbees part to drop out now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-52172145023081345162008-02-10T20:17:00.000-06:002008-02-10T20:17:00.000-06:00To determine the number of delegates for each cand...To determine the number of delegates for each candidate on the Democratic side, I'm using the numbers that were earned legitimately in each state's primary/caucus: Sen. Obama with 986 pledged delegates and Sen. Clinton with 924. Yes super delegates are part of the nomination process, but they should adhere to the relationship they have with the people who elected them into their offices in the first place and vote for who those people want to get the nomination. SO, in my opinion, Obama is leading in the number of delegates with 1910 delegates awarded to date and 359 super delegates not technically awarded yet. <BR/><BR/>To answer the other question, I don't think that Huckabee should stay in the running for GOP candidate. It's impossible for him to get the nomination and it's a waste of time and money that could be spent on other, more important, things.mentehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02053999440920884785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-7931029311722037692008-02-10T20:02:00.000-06:002008-02-10T20:02:00.000-06:00It's a tie on the democratic side in my mind. I'm ...It's a tie on the democratic side in my mind. I'm watching cnn.com to judge the race. However, with Obama's momentum, we might not have to wait until the convention to figure out who the nominee is going to be.Erica Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16590625973505298770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-10098040251192504512008-02-10T19:18:00.000-06:002008-02-10T19:18:00.000-06:00I feel that it is unfair to count superdelegates i...I feel that it is unfair to count superdelegates into the total, especially this early when they can still easily change thier mind. To me it doesn;t seem as if the candidates truly "earn" these delegates. It makes the average, nonsuperdelegate voter feel loike thier voice and opinion is worth very little when in fact thier opinions and voice should be as important as anyones'. Why should these super delegates get a whole vote and represent one person's opinion while one normal delegate reepresents many people's opinions. If they end up being the deciding factor in choosing the Democratic nominee, many people will be very upset and question the valididty of having superdelegates.katieksohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04461872252837759539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-53818601867236344122008-02-10T19:10:00.000-06:002008-02-10T19:10:00.000-06:00To determine who has what number of delegates, I'm...To determine who has what number of delegates, I'm not doing anything. Everytime you look online it's a different story from what the news says. And every station says something different. I like Obama so I hope he continues to do well. I'm 17 till July, so doesn't look like I'll be voting in this primary. :( It sucks. I also think Huckabee should stay in the race, because McCain is no good, and I absolutely HATE him! To me, it seems as if he has two personalities. The one you see in the media, which seems to be a good guy. And then there is the other side we don't see. I imagine him to be a real arrogant meathead with a large attitude. When I see him on TV it always looks like someone is telling him to smile, because it seems so unnatural when he does smile.Angelinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14012062444240786567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-2716576357995991572008-02-10T19:01:00.000-06:002008-02-10T19:01:00.000-06:00The essay is due Wednesday. I don't have it in fr...The essay is due Wednesday. I don't have it in front of me, but it's something like this:<BR/>How many delegates does each of the Democratic candidates for president have? Give at least two reasons for your conclusions.<BR/><BR/>Consider:<BR/>1. Different news organizations' totals<BR/>2. Super Delegates (Some have committed on either side, is it democratic, there are 400-ish not committed, they can change their opinions when things change, they are elected officials, they represent people throughout the U.S., this is the process-live with it)<BR/>3. Michigan and FloridaMr. Bretzmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04907368716316376079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-60939025992865725672008-02-10T18:09:00.000-06:002008-02-10T18:09:00.000-06:00I'm comparing between MSNBC and CNN, and really it...I'm comparing between MSNBC and CNN, and really it is just too close to call (that's for Caroline). Just kidding Mr. Bretzmann. Anyways... I am comparing between those two sources, and because it is so close, I've actually pretty much been considering it a tie and really am just looking forward towards the upcoming primaries and will be counting the delegates as though from right now it is tied. And I'm hoping, of course, that Obama is the one who wins them.<BR/><BR/>And sidenote... what is this essay I read about in your comment?<BR/>I wasn't at 7th hour on Friday because our bus wouldn't start during the field trip, so is this something that's due tomorrow?KellyHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07585376842109719541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-25782276931209757462008-02-10T14:16:00.001-06:002008-02-10T14:16:00.001-06:00For the bonus question... I believe Huckabee shoul...For the bonus question... <BR/><BR/>I believe Huckabee should stay in the race to end McCain's arrogance and to not unite the GOP. It's a good sign when people like Ann Coulter support Clinton rather than McCain.Vladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04258404456872923473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-89738089051364636022008-02-10T14:16:00.000-06:002008-02-10T14:16:00.000-06:00I think i understand the delegates, but it is slig...I think i understand the delegates, but it is slightly confusing. I'm not too worried about the super delegates yet since they can change their minds. And a side note, any one can make Hillary look bad, just depends what ur stand is and if <I>you</I> like her or not. But no one seems to be bashing her at the moment. Even though I keep up to date with the amount of delegates on the news... I'm trying not to worry about it too much.. and who knows.. if the democrats win the election.. Obama and Hillary could be P/VP vice versa.Lisa Mariehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02130720825604726983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27559829.post-36008889562102431032008-02-10T13:58:00.000-06:002008-02-10T13:58:00.000-06:00I haven't really considered it yet, but now that y...I haven't really considered it yet, but now that you've asked... I think it is important to count the super delegates because they do have an effect on the race. In terms of what numbers to go with, I'm not really sure other than the fact that super delegates should be counted.<BR/><BR/>In terms of Mike Huckabee, I think that if he wants to have a chance at winning...he would be better off giving the voters a choice.JamieWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09299432264767081299noreply@blogger.com